Thursday, May 13, 2010

My first 767 trip

I recently completed my first 767 trip.... thanks very much to a very attentive crew who helped me through a new and very enjoyable experience.

Delta is the only airline to have flown all of Boeing's 767 passenger models; the 200, 300, 300ER and 400ER. The 200's however, have been retired since 2006. The 767's maiden flight occurred on 26 September 1981, just three years prior to the last passenger 727 airframe to roll of the assembly line, destined for US Air. DAL started flying the 767 shortly thereafter in 1982. The picture above, from a Boeing employee newsletter, shows the airline receiving their 10th 767, the 50th to have been produced by Boeing Commercial Airplane Company.

Sarah? Forget it, it's too easy.

My first flight in this type left HNL at 2115, a little dark to get good pictures, so these two shots of a -300 from my archives will have to suffice. (Any guesses?) I was also a little busy acclimating to a new aircraft to take the time to take pre-departure pictures.


Some one-thousand 767's have been constructed and the assembly line, started in 1981 is still open. This is the most popular aircraft across the Atlantic between North America and Europe.

OK, were airborne out of HNL at FL330, established on R465, the "Charlie" track. This is a 300 model, or in Boeing terms a 332. Are you aware of Boeing's customer numbering system? The first number identifies the model and the last two numbers identify the airline. Delta's customer number is 32. Northwest's was 51, so our 757-300's were 757-351's in Boeing parlance. This number follows the airplane regardless of who operates it through the industry's ups and downs.

Ours tonight is a straight, 180 ETOPS model 332, not a 332ER. I'm told that this was a domestic 767 that was modified to meet "180 ETOPS" criteria for Pacific flights to HNL.

David Lamb, my First Officer makes an Oceanic position report with San Francisco AIRINC aboard aircraft 140LL, constructed in 1993. As you can tell by this photo, the resemblance to our 757's is remarkable, thus the dual type rating. The 300 evolved from the 200 model with a 21' 1" plug that lengthened it to 176' 1". Interestingly, our 757-351's are longer than these 767-332's by 2' 6". All 767's are considered "heavy" by ATC and just recently, the "heavy" moniker has been dropped on the 757-300.

As usual, we're enjoying a smooth ride across the Pacific tonight, due in large part to the efforts of our dispatcher. They do a great job balancing economics and ergonomics in search of comfort and economy. For those who think that the airlines are only interested in dollars saved (which they are, after all this is a business) I've seen dispatchers choose a lower altitude with a diminished tail wind, because that altitude is reporting smoother conditions than a more economically favorable one. Really! As pilots, we're always listening to others "ride reports" and are continually requesting ride information from ATC. If the flight is bumpy and ATC can accommodate us, (don't forget, there's a lot of traffic out here) we'll seek different altitudes in search of a better ride, regardless of economics.

Contemplating life at FL330 out over a dark Pacific.

As David said when we entered the cockpit in HNL tonight, "now I know why you wanted to fly the first leg of this trip." Yup... guilty! It's because it would be my turn to fly this leg to SLC in the 767. Frankly, other than sitting a little higher above the ground, there are few clues that this is a 767. The hydraulic panel layout is a little different, the side panel is further away, the cockpit entrance door is offset to the left and the jumpseat looks more comfortable... that's about it. I hope that I remember that "higher part" when it comes to flaring in SLC. Also, the last time that I'd visited SLC was some 15 years ago in a 727. Not that it makes any difference; pull out the plate and make the approach! The hard part is always taxiing and finding the gate.

Note the half David Clark headset to my left. I feel like I'm back in a Cessna 170 or 180 with this monster though. Looks like I'll have to spring for my own Telex headset.

OK, here are the particulars concerning flight 1104 from HNL to SLC.

This is our new Delta release, a little different from the NWA World Flight release that you've seen here before. Basically the same information displayed in a little different format. In a nutshell a 349,200 pound takeoff with 262 passengers, 77,500 pounds of fuel and 5 hours 42 minutes to cover 2,634 nautical miles. As our weight diminished, the flight plan directs us to climb twice, once to FL 350 and then to FL 370 approximately an hour and a half before starting our descent into SLC. Over the Pacific out of VHF range, using HF procedures, this is a time consuming exercise coordinating with AIRINC and the FAA. Remember, there's no radar out here so this is all coordinated manually. Its taken me a little while to become comfortable with the new flight release, flight plan and winds format, but as my exposure increases so does my comfort level. Their weight & balance system is more complex than it needs to be, but we're figuring that out too.

Dinner across the Pacific. Frankly I expected more than a burrito and a bag of chips! Here's the good news though, Delta has kept the Dancing Deer Brownies. I'll talk about this more in the View From the Cockpit column in the August issue of AIRWAYS MAGAZINE. Which of course you'll want to buy to read Jeff Kriendlers forth coming article concerning the NWA/DAL merger.

And finally thanks very much to our new colleagues, a pre-merger Delta flight attendant crew, wonderfully represented by; Patti, Cindy, (FO Dave) Vince, Patricia, Doug and Caron who missed this photo because she had to run to catch her commuter flight home. Speaking of which... I need to run too and catch the next flight to BOS. Today is Mothers Day and Cindy brought this Bird of Paradise from HNL for her mother. And for my mother, Happy Mothers Day Mom, thanks for always being there!



  1. Would that second picture be lovely PHL?

  2. Rand

    Is the second picture EWR?


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  4. In the one with the smokestacks...KLAX?

  5. No - the smoke stacks are FLL! I see them every time I head up there - well - at least I think they are *LOL*

    Thanks for the great read Rand - congrats on the 1st 767 flight! Sounds like it was a smooth one! I'm sure you'll have lots more!!

  6. Yep, Mark they are off the approach end of 27R. I was looking in So. Cal based on the palm trees... looked at Miami and then had to get back to work.

    Here they are:

    Hey. I thought the game was over, Rand? You had me stumped this time.

  7. Hello Rand, congratulations on your 1st 767 flight...

    I guess you will be to newer destinations in this particular aircraft.

    Best regards,

  8. Captain Rand,
    Thanks for sharing the story, and congrats on your new ride. I especially like the picture of you in command, looking somewhat pensive to my eyes. If it was me taking a brief mental break on a long flight, I might have allowed myself a touch of nostalgia and awe. It's amazing what we sometimes take for granted these days.

  9. Thanks everyone, yes, I certainly enjoyed the new experience. And Mark is right FLL. Stumped. Sarah stumped. Sorry I don't believe that for a second. My eyes weren't pensive Bob, they were glazed over... this was a red eye flight. Just kidding, yes I like pensive. Miguel, Si hay muchas aeropuertos nueve para me esta ano.


  10. FLL for the secnd picture--I assume the first shot is at the reef runway at HNL

  11. OMG. I would be so there for a Stearman ride, especially if I could wiggle the stick too.

    Last weekend our gliderport shared the grass with a Stearman most of the afternoon, as it apparently gave rides to many friends & family ... and not a bad landing in the bunch.

  12. My goodness Rand - they have been keeping you busy...HNL, SLC, Cologne, ANC...where next???

  13. Wow, ANC! That is one of my favorite destinations! I was looking at the schedule and it looks like DTW and MSP are going to get a lot of those routes this summer!!